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Comments on: My Theory on Eating Out and Cross-Contamination http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/ vegan recipes, living, and philosophy Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:35:28 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Bandit a la mode http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-9619 Bandit a la mode Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:15:21 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-9619 I think there are very intresting posts and comments on this tread, and I just had to add my .02, especially in regard to 'those damn vegans'. I've been vegan about 6 months, which is huge for me, and have pretty similar reasons as the author for going vegan, but what spurred me to do it was a diet book, not animal rights, not my carbon footprint. I read "Skinny Bitch", and it really opened my eyes as to what I was putting into my body (also some vegan things like coffee, chips, liquor, sugar, etc.). People, especially the American public, is pretty far from altruistic about their actions, you really have to start your pitch with "what is this going to do for me" and add in all the benefits. Maybe it's not the way it should be, but it's the way it is. Therefore, the more people you can get to relate this in any way, the more overall good you do. I would rather have 100 vegans that think like this, that one uncompromising, alienating, 'super vegan' (that's mine btw, I just coined it). Why? Because that's 100x less meat, 100x less footprint, and 100x better PR. Not everyone lives in California, if I went into a restaurant in Texas and threw a fit over cross contamination when a reasonable effort was made, I would be laughed at and would come across as a narrow-minded person. Instead, someone might ask me how I lost 25 pounds in the last 6 months and I can give them my book and not look like an elitist or whatever people in Texas like to call us. Get it? Change minds by example, and be the best example you can be. I think there are very intresting posts and comments on this tread, and I just had to add my .02, especially in regard to ‘those damn vegans’. I’ve been vegan about 6 months, which is huge for me, and have pretty similar reasons as the author for going vegan, but what spurred me to do it was a diet book, not animal rights, not
my carbon footprint.

I read “Skinny Bitch”, and it really opened my eyes as to what I was putting into my body (also some vegan things like coffee, chips, liquor, sugar, etc.).

People, especially the American public, is pretty far from altruistic about their actions, you really have to start your pitch with “what is this going to do for me” and add in all the benefits. Maybe it’s not the way it should be, but it’s the way it is. Therefore, the more people you can get to relate this in any way, the more overall good you do. I would rather have 100 vegans that think like this, that one uncompromising, alienating, ’super vegan’ (that’s mine btw, I just coined it). Why? Because that’s 100x less meat, 100x less footprint, and 100x better PR.

Not everyone lives in California, if I went into a restaurant in Texas and threw a fit over cross contamination when a reasonable effort was made, I would be laughed at and would come across as a narrow-minded person. Instead, someone might ask me how I lost 25 pounds in the last 6 months and I can give them my book and not look like an elitist or whatever people in Texas like to call us.

Get it? Change minds by example, and be the best example you can be.

]]> By: Phil Clarke http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-9385 Phil Clarke Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:27:14 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-9385 Hello all, I class myself as vegetarian, I do not eat meat or dairy products, I don't like them, I have been like this for too many years to remember, I am 52 now. I do eat fish, I know there are a lot of other people like me who eat veg and fish, but no meat. This is a life choice, and not a label that can be attached to someone, it is my taste in foods. Hello all, I class myself as vegetarian, I do not eat meat or dairy products, I don’t like them, I have been like this for too many years to remember, I am 52 now. I do eat fish, I know there are a lot of other people like me who eat veg and fish, but no meat. This is a life choice, and not a label that can be attached to someone, it is my taste in foods.

]]> By: Scar http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-6988 Scar Mon, 06 Apr 2009 04:21:00 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-6988 I'm vegan because I care about my health, and that's the only reason. If somebody wants to classify me as "not vegan" because I don't believe animals have greater rights than humans, so be it. Vegans could be teaching others about the health benefits of their diet, and share their ethical and environmental concerns without being belligerent. I think it's important to remember we all have freedom of choice, whether we're vegans or meat eaters. Who cares what's on somebody else's plate? I’m vegan because I care about my health, and that’s the only reason.

If somebody wants to classify me as “not vegan” because I don’t believe animals have greater rights than humans, so be it.

Vegans could be teaching others about the health benefits of their diet, and share their ethical and environmental concerns without being belligerent.

I think it’s important to remember we all have freedom of choice, whether we’re vegans or meat eaters. Who cares what’s on somebody else’s plate?

]]> By: Benjamin Jones http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-5128 Benjamin Jones Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:11:39 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-5128 Hi Amberlyn, Thanks so much for the kind comment. I was just thinking about this today, in fact. The more normal we are, the more normal veganism becomes, after all. Hi Amberlyn,

Thanks so much for the kind comment. I was just thinking about this today, in fact. The more normal we are, the more normal veganism becomes, after all.

]]> By: Amberlyn http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-5127 Amberlyn Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:57:36 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-5127 I just found your website. I love this post. I don't understand (and I'm newly vegan so it may still be a mystery to me) anywho, I don't understand why being vegan is this huge competition. People attack vegans because we attack ourselves. I'm recently reteaching myself to be a bit more tolerant of non vegans. I started off on the whole nazi vegan road and then stopped. I didn't want someone's first impression of veganism to be of some wacked out chick that was unable to bend. I applaud you for realizing that not everything is black and white in the world. You give me hope for being vegan I just found your website. I love this post. I don’t understand (and I’m newly vegan so it may still be a mystery to me) anywho, I don’t understand why being vegan is this huge competition. People attack vegans because we attack ourselves. I’m recently reteaching myself to be a bit more tolerant of non vegans. I started off on the whole nazi vegan road and then stopped. I didn’t want someone’s first impression of veganism to be of some wacked out chick that was unable to bend. I applaud you for realizing that not everything is black and white in the world. You give me hope for being vegan

]]> By: Dave http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-4977 Dave Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:28:22 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-4977 thanks !! very helpful post! thanks !! very helpful post!

]]> By: Benjamin Jones http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-4578 Benjamin Jones Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:36:34 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-4578 Hey Alex - Thanks for the kind comment and I'm glad you like the site, :) Hey Alex -

Thanks for the kind comment and I’m glad you like the site, :)

]]> By: Alex http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-4574 Alex Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:13:14 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-4574 I'm L8 to this thread but I just wanted to add my comments, and support for Ben's perspective. My reasons for going vegan are similar: ethics first, environment second, health third. As for ingredients, I have the same outlook. I don't really care if there are minute amounts of animal ingredients in food I eat, because if they are not an ingredient required to make the food than my consuming it is not actually supporting the industry that produces animal products. This is the most important thing to me by far. And as Ben pointed out, cross contamination is not inconsistent with any of his (and my) goals as vegans. I also wanted to echo Bella's sentiments about how we portray our lifestyle. If we really want to do the most good for animals it behooves us to show that veganism is perfectly normal and, most importantly, easily achievable. If people think they have to eat all kinds of weird foods and carefully scrutinize how their food is prepared whenever they eat out they are much less likely to see it as something they can do. When it comes to trying to sway people towards vegetarianism or veganism I find that it is much more effective to lead by example than to preach. Being adversarial is bound to turn people off, but I have found that when people see that what I do is rooted in a desire to do the right thing, that there is nothing strange about it, that it has many benefits to oneself and the world, they become more open to it. I think that trying to explain our viewpoint as objectively as possible has the most potential to do good. P.S. - Ben, I followed you link from Ecomodder, this is a great site! I’m L8 to this thread but I just wanted to add my comments, and support for Ben’s perspective. My reasons for going vegan are similar: ethics first, environment second, health third. As for ingredients, I have the same outlook. I don’t really care if there are minute amounts of animal ingredients in food I eat, because if they are not an ingredient required to make the food than my consuming it is not actually supporting the industry that produces animal products. This is the most important thing to me by far. And as Ben pointed out, cross contamination is not inconsistent with any of his (and my) goals as vegans.

I also wanted to echo Bella’s sentiments about how we portray our lifestyle. If we really want to do the most good for animals it behooves us to show that veganism is perfectly normal and, most importantly, easily achievable. If people think they have to eat all kinds of weird foods and carefully scrutinize how their food is prepared whenever they eat out they are much less likely to see it as something they can do.

When it comes to trying to sway people towards vegetarianism or veganism I find that it is much more effective to lead by example than to preach. Being adversarial is bound to turn people off, but I have found that when people see that what I do is rooted in a desire to do the right thing, that there is nothing strange about it, that it has many benefits to oneself and the world, they become more open to it. I think that trying to explain our viewpoint as objectively as possible has the most potential to do good.

P.S. – Ben, I followed you link from Ecomodder, this is a great site!

]]> By: mikeize http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-4191 mikeize Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:41:50 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-4191 Ah the vegan purist... always leaving such an endearing impression, no? Attacks less 'holy' vegans for betraying "their own kind", and fails to see the irony! Going to your local steakhouse, and making a scene because they make their fries in the same oil as their chicken wings, is pretty fucking funny. On the other hand, if they list their fries under "vegetarian items" or something like that--then sure, tell them that's not okay. Ah the vegan purist… always leaving such an endearing impression, no? Attacks less ‘holy’ vegans for betraying “their own kind”, and fails to see the irony! Going to your local steakhouse, and making a scene because they make their fries in the same oil as their chicken wings, is pretty fucking funny. On the other hand, if they list their fries under “vegetarian items” or something like that–then sure, tell them that’s not okay.

]]> By: Benjamin Jones http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3961 Benjamin Jones Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:15:17 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3961 Hey Foodeater - Thanks for the poignant comment. It's definitely a tricky issue sometimes. For example, I have leather things that I've had for years but I can't seem to bring myself to wear them unless I'm like mowing the lawn and no one will see, since I don't want people to think I'm endorsing leather-wearing, but then anyone who knows me enough to notice would probably know that's not the case... Benjamin Hey Foodeater -

Thanks for the poignant comment. It’s definitely a tricky issue sometimes. For example, I have leather things that I’ve had for years but I can’t seem to bring myself to wear them unless I’m like mowing the lawn and no one will see, since I don’t want people to think I’m endorsing leather-wearing, but then anyone who knows me enough to notice would probably know that’s not the case…

Benjamin

]]> By: Foodeater http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3959 Foodeater Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:17:12 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3959 Great post, thanks for being brave enough to write it. I think there's a fine line between being vegan (a.k.a., doing the right thing) and just being obnoxious. I've had similar arguments with people on my own blog who seem to believe that the entire world revolves around them. The truth of the matter is that it does not... so all we can do as vegans is what we feel is right for ourselves, for the animals, for the earth, or for whatever other reasons we've made that lifestyle choice. Ultimately as vegans who choose to eat out at a restaurant, we need to accept that we're giving up a certain amount of control. If that is unacceptable to someone, that's fine, but in that case- stay home and cook for yourself... that is the only way you will ever be able to know for certain what is in the food you are eating. I don't think it's fair for the uber-vegan elite out there to look down their noses and attack people who don't live up to their expectations. I am much more concerned with making the right choices, such as not buying or purchasing meat or dairy products than I am with being hyper-paranoid that my food at a restaurant may or may not have been cooked next to meat or cheese. Sure I'd prefer that not happen, but it's reality unless I opt to just stay home, and I choose to accept that. I'm not saying that people who don't like it need to take it and shut-up, though I also don't expect that every restaurant will adopt the same high standards for cooking that I do at home. I don't buy leather or fur, yet I still wear leather items that I've had from before I was a vegan. I've been told by certain high-and-mighty types that since I wear these items that I'm not a true vegan. Personally I think that's a load of crap, and I'm sure that all the animals that I'm no longer eating would agree with me. At the end of the day it's not about what anyone else thinks, it's about what you think is right for yourself. If thinking and living this way doesn't make me vegan enough to be a "true vegan", than what do I care? I'm not doing it to win anyones approval or to get a fancy vegan seal of approval. Great post, thanks for being brave enough to write it. I think there’s a fine line between being vegan (a.k.a., doing the right thing) and just being obnoxious. I’ve had similar arguments with people on my own blog who seem to believe that the entire world revolves around them. The truth of the matter is that it does not… so all we can do as vegans is what we feel is right for ourselves, for the animals, for the earth, or for whatever other reasons we’ve made that lifestyle choice.
Ultimately as vegans who choose to eat out at a restaurant, we need to accept that we’re giving up a certain amount of control. If that is unacceptable to someone, that’s fine, but in that case- stay home and cook for yourself… that is the only way you will ever be able to know for certain what is in the food you are eating. I don’t think it’s fair for the uber-vegan elite out there to look down their noses and attack people who don’t live up to their expectations. I am much more concerned with making the right choices, such as not buying or purchasing meat or dairy products than I am with being hyper-paranoid that my food at a restaurant may or may not have been cooked next to meat or cheese. Sure I’d prefer that not happen, but it’s reality unless I opt to just stay home, and I choose to accept that.
I’m not saying that people who don’t like it need to take it and shut-up, though I also don’t expect that every restaurant will adopt the same high standards for cooking that I do at home.
I don’t buy leather or fur, yet I still wear leather items that I’ve had from before I was a vegan. I’ve been told by certain high-and-mighty types that since I wear these items that I’m not a true vegan. Personally I think that’s a load of crap, and I’m sure that all the animals that I’m no longer eating would agree with me. At the end of the day it’s not about what anyone else thinks, it’s about what you think is right for yourself. If thinking and living this way doesn’t make me vegan enough to be a “true vegan”, than what do I care? I’m not doing it to win anyones approval or to get a fancy vegan seal of approval.

]]> By: Leah http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3936 Leah Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:30:33 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3936 I am considering becoming a vegan, or perhaps a vegetarian (idk if I can live without cheese lol), and I think I would definitely be the type that understands that OBVIOUSLY there is going to be some cross contamination everywhere, simply because that is how the world works. I'm glad to know that I wouldn't be the only one to think this, and I'm glad to know that vegan-ism (is that a word?) is not just some silly cause to get the world to feel the same way I do. I don't have the time or the willpower to change the world of it's ways, just my own. Keep up the good work ^_^ I am considering becoming a vegan, or perhaps a vegetarian (idk if I can live without cheese lol), and I think I would definitely be the type that understands that OBVIOUSLY there is going to be some cross contamination everywhere, simply because that is how the world works.

I’m glad to know that I wouldn’t be the only one to think this, and I’m glad to know that vegan-ism (is that a word?) is not just some silly cause to get the world to feel the same way I do. I don’t have the time or the willpower to change the world of it’s ways, just my own.

Keep up the good work ^_^

]]> By: Bella http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3922 Bella Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:58:15 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3922 Benjo, Your post made me think a little bit. This is one of the reasons why I have a hard time eating out, and I think I am caught somewhere in between you and "those damn vegans." I'm working on trying to relax a little, though. Going on a crusade might have its place at times, but the only way we are going to get people to truly consider veganism is to portray this lifestyle as perfectly normal and most of all, livable. Getting worked up over one micro-sized piece of cheese is not going to help you, your cause, or the animals. Benjo,

Your post made me think a little bit. This is one of the reasons why I have a hard time eating out, and I think I am caught somewhere in between you and “those damn vegans.”

I’m working on trying to relax a little, though. Going on a crusade might have its place at times, but the only way we are going to get people to truly consider veganism is to portray this lifestyle as perfectly normal and most of all, livable. Getting worked up over one micro-sized piece of cheese is not going to help you, your cause, or the animals.

]]> By: Being Rude Never Helped Anyone (A Vegan Perspective) | College Vegan http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3914 Being Rude Never Helped Anyone (A Vegan Perspective) | College Vegan Sat, 08 Nov 2008 04:28:18 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3914 [...] there was a bit of a hissy fit in my recent post about vegan cross-contamination issues. At first I got a little offended and was rude, but when I toned it back and tried to extend an [...] [...] there was a bit of a hissy fit in my recent post about vegan cross-contamination issues. At first I got a little offended and was rude, but when I toned it back and tried to extend an [...]

]]> By: benjo http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3913 benjo Sat, 08 Nov 2008 04:12:25 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3913 Hey Drake - Thanks for the support. And just for the record, I don't hate you for eating cheese, :p Hey Drake -

Thanks for the support. And just for the record, I don’t hate you for eating cheese, :p

]]> By: Drake http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3912 Drake Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:08:52 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3912 Wow- what a douche. Good on you for not acting like 'Those Damn Vegans.' That's the attitude that makes people consider vegans to be preachy & obnoxious. You seem like a cool guy however, benjo. Have a great day. In case you wondered, I eat fish, no other meats, but I have to have my cheese. :) Wow- what a douche. Good on you for not acting like ‘Those Damn Vegans.’ That’s the attitude that makes people consider vegans to be preachy & obnoxious. You seem like a cool guy however, benjo. Have a great day. In case you wondered, I eat fish, no other meats, but I have to have my cheese. :)

]]> By: benjo http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3911 benjo Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:35:44 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3911 The problem here is that not only are you self-righteous, but you think that makes you better than others. Therefore, I wouldn't KNOW what prop 2 is (all caps makes me more correct, as well) and I'm not a vegan. We'll fine, be stuck up, but not on my blog. You might never see this comment since I banned you, but if your IP changes and you come back, then don't expect anything but the same treatment. It's my website, I can do what I like with it, so don't cry about how vegans' are always having their rights abused and it's just SO hard for you to live with everyone hating you. :) The problem here is that not only are you self-righteous, but you think that makes you better than others. Therefore, I wouldn’t KNOW what prop 2 is (all caps makes me more correct, as well) and I’m not a vegan. We’ll fine, be stuck up, but not on my blog. You might never see this comment since I banned you, but if your IP changes and you come back, then don’t expect anything but the same treatment. It’s my website, I can do what I like with it, so don’t cry about how vegans’ are always having their rights abused and it’s just SO hard for you to live with everyone hating you.

:)

]]> By: Those Damn Vegans http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3908 Those Damn Vegans Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:01:55 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3908 >>You’re adversarial attitude is the reason why I don’t associate with many vegans, and why I don’t think there is such a thing as a “vegan cause.” I don’t think restaurant owners want to trample all over our rights. It's been proven time and time again that business will take shortcuts over all rights in order to maximize profit. This is yet another example. And everyone knows how to prepare something cleanly, your vegan restaurant idea has no base. >>But then I guess you the type that wants to treat it like such and go on a crusade against the heathens. We HAVE been. How the hell do you think proposal 2 in california was passed (do you even KNOW what it was about)? People sitting on their asses blogging about how we should be apathetic about animal rights? Apathy is for the carnivores who think "meat is tasty, tasty murder". >>. I don’t agree with it, I think it’s silly. Please then, stop calling yourself vegan. For all of us who actually give a shit. You have a diet, we have a mission. It's as much a political movement as it is a personal choice. However, I’d probably be your friend in real life, >>Sorry, I don't befriend hypocrites. >>You’re adversarial attitude is the reason why I don’t associate with many vegans, and why I don’t think there is such a thing as a “vegan cause.” I don’t think restaurant owners want to trample all over our rights.
It’s been proven time and time again that business will take shortcuts over all rights in order to maximize profit. This is yet another example. And everyone knows how to prepare something cleanly, your vegan restaurant idea has no base.
>>But then I guess you the type that wants to treat it like such and go on a crusade against the heathens.
We HAVE been. How the hell do you think proposal 2 in california was passed (do you even KNOW what it was about)? People sitting on their asses blogging about how we should be apathetic about animal rights? Apathy is for the carnivores who think “meat is tasty, tasty murder”.
>>. I don’t agree with it, I think it’s silly.
Please then, stop calling yourself vegan. For all of us who actually give a shit. You have a diet, we have a mission. It’s as much a political movement as it is a personal choice.
However, I’d probably be your friend in real life,
>>Sorry, I don’t befriend hypocrites.

]]> By: benjo http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3907 benjo Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:50:36 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3907 Tucson Bass Player - Thanks for the comment. Allergies are definitely an issue for some of my friends, so I can sympathize a bit. Unfortunately, since their predicament is a matter of life and death they don't really have a choice. I see the importance of veganism in making certain choices and asserting the reasons for those, and not expecting them all to be carried out perfectly, perhaps. But I don't see that affecting the cause or practice substantially. Tucson Bass Player -

Thanks for the comment. Allergies are definitely an issue for some of my friends, so I can sympathize a bit. Unfortunately, since their predicament is a matter of life and death they don’t really have a choice. I see the importance of veganism in making certain choices and asserting the reasons for those, and not expecting them all to be carried out perfectly, perhaps. But I don’t see that affecting the cause or practice substantially.

]]> By: benjo http://www.collegevegan.com/my-theory-on-eating-out-and-cross-contamination/comment-page-1/#comment-3906 benjo Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:46:33 +0000 http://www.collegevegan.com/?p=69#comment-3906 TDV - You're adversarial attitude is the reason why I don't associate with many vegans, and why I don't think there is such a thing as a "vegan cause." I don't think restaurant owners want to trample all over our rights. In fact, I don't think we have any right to go into anyone's business and demand they change their offerings for us. If I ran a vegan restaurant and someone wanted something prepared some way I didn't know how, I would tell them I'm sorry, and that wouldn't be trampling on their rights. "Life altering decision" my ass. You change what you eat and what you wear. I don't feel any different or act any different. It's not a religion. But then I guess you the type that wants to treat it like such and go on a crusade against the heathens. If that's the case, I'd gladly be against your approach. I don't agree with it, I think it's silly. You're not my "own kind," so don't try to create artificial groups to put me in; one shared practice does not make either of us the other's kind. However, I'd probably be your friend in real life, as I have many friends who are in PeTA and do canvassing in real life, so don't be so belligerent. If you want to argue your point, feel free, but avoiding the issues and calling me "kid" or some sort of back-stabber isn't really holding a conversation. Feel free to do that, but at least include some content too. :) TDV -

You’re adversarial attitude is the reason why I don’t associate with many vegans, and why I don’t think there is such a thing as a “vegan cause.” I don’t think restaurant owners want to trample all over our rights. In fact, I don’t think we have any right to go into anyone’s business and demand they change their offerings for us. If I ran a vegan restaurant and someone wanted something prepared some way I didn’t know how, I would tell them I’m sorry, and that wouldn’t be trampling on their rights.

“Life altering decision” my ass. You change what you eat and what you wear. I don’t feel any different or act any different. It’s not a religion. But then I guess you the type that wants to treat it like such and go on a crusade against the heathens.

If that’s the case, I’d gladly be against your approach. I don’t agree with it, I think it’s silly. You’re not my “own kind,” so don’t try to create artificial groups to put me in; one shared practice does not make either of us the other’s kind.

However, I’d probably be your friend in real life, as I have many friends who are in PeTA and do canvassing in real life, so don’t be so belligerent. If you want to argue your point, feel free, but avoiding the issues and calling me “kid” or some sort of back-stabber isn’t really holding a conversation. Feel free to do that, but at least include some content too.

:)

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